I googled “homeschool” to see what pictures came up. Many of them had to do with socialization and the messages that homeschool parents get and give about it. So I figured I’d talk about homeschooling and the issue of socialization today and use some of the cartoons I found in the process. Some of them are a little disconcerting in the way they point out issues I see, just maybe not quite in the ways the cartoonists intended.
What is This “Socialization Problem” You Speak Of?
So first a bit about what socialization is and how it relates to homeschooling. This diagram explains socialization pretty simply and it comes from a site that talks abut stopping cycles of discrimination that are often passed on intergenerationally.
I think the site the diagram comes from – Parenting for Social Change – makes an excellent point – that this is generally how socialization is done but socialization can sometimes be bad. You can absolutely be taught harmful things as well as positive things in the course of your socialization and most people are taught a mix. What homeschooling parents often become inclined to do though is try to eliminate or greatly reduce these “bad” things by winnowing their child’s socialization opportunities down to only parentally vetted and approved sources and quite often those approved sources are fellow homeschoolers, religious leaders, highly edited texts and media, other “likeminded families,” and sometimes, when the parent is particularly controlling or inept at socialization themselves, nobody at all except for the immediate family. Yes, this last one is a real big problem because terrible things can happen when families get isolated like that and it is a big risk factor for all kinds of abuse, neglect, and poor mental and physical health. Thing is, this social isolation problem happens in homeschooling much more frequently than it should. In fact, even in Brian Ray’s wacky (and so methodologically unsound that I am stopping myself from going on a rant about how many problems it has) “Strengths of Their Own” study included something I found interesting about it. See if you can catch it.
That’s right. The third bar from the bottom. The yellow one. If 87% of the children in Brian Ray’s highly self-selective study play with “people outside the family” (and I will leave you to ponder right along with me as to why this wording is not “other children outside the family”) then that means that 13% of children in Brian Ray’s study do not play with others outside of their own family, which I would most definitely define as a socialization problem. If Brian Ray, excellent fudger, misconstruer, self-quoter, and ideological spit-shiner of homeschool data extraordinaire, has almost 15% of the kids in his rather cherry-picked study having this issue, how common must it actually be in real life and how do people in homeschooling react to this issue? Well, lets see…
Socialization Sarcasm
This cartoon makes fun of the concept that socialization problems exist in homeschooling. To me it implies that socialization happens so naturally that it simply isn’t something a homeschool Mom could forget. Why? Well, I’m honestly not exactly sure. Socialization is a component that definitely can be ignored or accidentally left out and it has openly (and wrongly) been discounted as being unimportant by many prominent homeschool leaders. Because its been ignored and dismissed as a necessary part of many homeschool curriculums is the main reason why homeschoolers have gotten the reputation for being unsocialized in the first place.
Most homeschool kids don’t like being stereotyped as unsocialized or feeling like they are unsocialized (I mean really, who would?) so there’s also some memes and jokes that have been spread by teenage homeschoolers implying how inherently dumb or inappropriate they think it is when people make socialization an issue. Most of these involve poking fun at the “myth” that socialization is a problem in homeschooling. There is this YouTube video by a homeschooled girl who is trying to do this by distinguishing “the homeschooled” from “the homeschoolers” and while I find it funny, I’m quite sure that her pie chart is wrong and she perpetuates elitist stereotypes she has likely heard throughout her homeschooling experience.
This blog had a post by a homeschool graduate complaining about people asking what’s become known as the “socialization question” and in her post she uses a picture I’ve seen fairly often. There’s even t-shirts with this printed on them that you can buy.
Socialization is Fishy
So what do homeschooling parents think about the socialization issue when they do actually address it? Lets start out with this cartoon, as it’s used a lot. It claims that a lack of socialization in homeschooling isn’t just a rare problem, but an outright myth. It implies that homeschool kids are not only actually in diverse environments as part of a natural ecosystem but are thrilled about it. It also implies that children who are socialized in public school are like half-dead sardines in a can rather than the school of likeminded fish they are expected to be.
This cartoon is a direct dismissal of there being any merit to the “socialization problem” and its compounded with a public school counter-stereotype. This is unsurprising to me as the argument that homeschool socialization problems are an outright myth is quite often included with something disparaging about public school or insulting to teachers (and this cartoon is no exception). Notwithstanding how insulting it is to imply that most people who go through public school are like dead fish, is this depiction of homeschool versus public school in any way accurate? Well, I imagine for the occasional situation it is, but in general, certainly not.
Oddly this cartoon was actually almost the exact opposite of my experience. In the CHEF homeschoolers group I was in it was all white Christian families and our parents had to sign a statement of faith to join. It was absolutely a school of fish all swimming the same way and because we got together infrequently, I generally felt like that fish in the fishbowl. Also, when I went to public school in 9th grade I was certainly no canned sardine, even if I wasn’t exactly the manic fish thrilled at the ecosystem in the upper righthand corner. The teachers often tried to corral us into all doing things the same way but we didn’t make it altogether easy for them and generally I expect it was a bit like herding cats. We were all individuals, as were the teachers. I had favorite teachers and subjects and ones I didn’t like and I made friends of different races and beliefs and political persuasions, many of whom who are still my friends and acquaintances to this day.
The Dark Knowledge of Teen Degenerates
Here’s another cartoon about homeschool kid socialization from a slightly different angle, and this one does address the idea that kids don’t always do what you want them to do and by invoking the dreaded “peer pressure,” implies that its all bad. Which one is it – are they lobotomized sardines in a can or are they violent and rebellious ingrates? Make up your mind! Also, how realistic is this, do homeschool Moms actually think public school kids are like this? Where are the public school kids who are not “at-risk” of being part of the school to prison pipeline? Why aren’t there any of those at the bus stop?
Also, in this little dystopian cartoon, gang members with knives read books on values (morally relativistic ones, no doubt), evolution, meditation, and “new age” religion (if that isn’t a culture wars fearmongering buzzword, I don’t know what is) and pregnant girls read about sex ed and still don’t know what made them pregnant. This cartoon is crazy stuff. People don’t drink beer and shoot up heroin (yeah, there’s a needle on the ground in the cartoon) while waiting for the school bus (although some do smoke cigarettes). People who read a lot don’t typically join gangs. People who know about comprehensive sex ed aren’t any more likely to have sex than kids who don’t and they are much less likely to accidentally get knocked up. Honestly, if this is what anyone actually thinks the world is like then they are not fit to educate other human beings and they probably need some mental help themselves.
Sweet Homeschool Girl in the Ghetto
This cartoon is similar to the previous one in that it also indicates that public school socialization is all bad, but it depicts the expected reaction of the homeschool girl in the public school and implies that if your daughter goes to public high school (obviously radiating her feminine purity with a big hair bow and below-the-knee church skirt) that she will soon be shocked and horrified to encounter people dressed immodestly, young people openly dating, tattoos and piercings everywhere, vandalism and crime, blatant teenage rebellion, and big scary black boys that look more like grown men. So obviously the answer is to just have her at home not knowing that people who are different from her exist, and make most of the people her age out to be disgusting, immoral, and scary, right?
I followed this cartoon to its site, a blog called Heart of Wisdom, trying to get a higher resolution picture. The blog talked about how homeschool kids should only selectively socialize with other Christians and claims this is biblical. Yep, this is just the type of homeschooling “socialization” I am familiar with. It’s a form of social isolation and indoctrination called “sheltering.” This stuff is all about parental fear and desire for control and helicopter parenting to this extreme is very unhealthy for your child. It will mean that in adulthood that they won’t know how to function at an optimal level. You cannot shield your kid from all “bad influences” and indeed there is nothing in the bible that says your kids cannot play with the kids of people who have different beliefs. That is quite a stretch and it is insular, cultish thinking.
My Homeschool Kid is Smarter than Your Honors Student
That same Heart of Wisdom blog had this other cartoon about homeschooling, so I followed that link and it was to a page dedicated specifically to homeschool cartoons. When I see stuff like this cartoon I have to once again ask – is this supposed to be funny? Do these people actually think this is accurate? My main question though is why the elitism and negativity? Even if your kid is getting a much better education in homeschooling, why talk trash about children who through no fault of their own don’t have as good of an education? Why make it into a competition, act like homeschool kids in general are “better” than other kids? It shows me some immature and defensive parenting, really. If you revel in it when someone else isn’t doing as good as you it shows you are 1) being a jerk and 2) secretly worried that you’re no good at what you’re doing. Nobody should ever be excited about other kids having a sub-par education, thinking it makes them and their kids look better. That’s just gross.
As it is, I find that there is a grain of truth in this cartoon but perhaps not quite in the way the cartoonist intended. I’ve known a lot of homeschool kids who do use big words in conversations and they soon realize that it comes across as awkward when they socialize with other non-homeschool kids. Admission: I was that kid myself. I read a lot of classic literature and became familiar with words that simply aren’t used in everyday speech anymore. Trying to use them in peer-to-peer conversations didn’t reflect on me being smarter. It reflected on me not having a modern day frame of reference as to what is appropriate. It reflected on me being socially backwards. Lots of public school kids who are bookworms like I was know many big words. They also know the right words to use for their audience. Context is everything. An unsocialized homeschool kid doesn’t have that context and very well might find that using 18th century literary terms in a conversation about basketball will indeed get people looking at them sideways. If homeschool parents want to be proud of that, think it makes their kid (and by extension them) “better,” it shows they truly don’t understand the issue at hand.
Parental Fear & Social Anxiety
That’s where I think we hit the crux of this whole thing. I think the main issue is parental angst and fearfulness. Too many homeschooling parents socially struggled in school themselves and/or got into drugs or unhealthy sexual relationships and instead of taking a broader view today, expect that they need to hide their kid away from these settings or the exact same thing will happen to their kid even though their kid is in a different school district in a different generation and *gasp* a different person. These parents become scared of or hurt by the society we live in, withdraw, and then use homeschooling as an excuse to be separatist, snooty, and helicopter over their kids. These are not positive reasons for homeschooling and these are the exact kind of fearful and overbearing attitudes that lead to socialization problems for homeschool kids.
Because people with strong views often find themselves in positions of leadership, those with exclusionary, separatist, and elitist attitudes often end up running things and then set this negative and divisive tone for the homeschooling group and the community it serves. It’s so pervasive that even some “second choicers” who start homeschooling simply because the other educational options in the area aren’t up to meeting their child’s particular needs (which is an excellent reason to homeschool, in my opinion), can get sucked into this culture, an “us versus them” mindset where homeschooling represents everything that is pure and good and healthy for children and public school and the people and structures that support it represents everything bad. This creates a parallel society of sorts and then you see people start calling public schools “government schools” in a pejorative sense. All this “us versus them” talk fans the fear that homeschooling parents are vulnerable (although still superior) outsiders who are or soon will be discriminated against and this in turn leads to easy exploitation of these scared people.
Why does widespread homeschool participation in things like the fundamentalist-led HSLDA, which capitalizes on these fears and requires dues money (that then goes into their cultish culture wars arsenal) for unnecessary “legal protection” exist? Because many these people are too freaked out to do anything more than cling onto a protector, ignoring all evidence that their “protector” just wants to use them – financially and for furthering a disturbingly anti-democratic agenda. This fear grows and leads to the kind of mindset that spawns ridiculous cartoons like the one below.
Put in prison for homeschooling – really? Of course in this cartoon there’s that same (expected) depiction of scary people with piercings, this time instead of a shocked daughter (projecting much?) it’s got a dejected homeschool Mom being shunned by hardened criminals who sarcastically note that her “crime” was homeschooling.
Homeschooling parents who follow these “leaders” (often starting because their local homeschool support group requires or recommends HSLDA membership) hear these divisive messages and become scared to death of being framed, exposed, persecuted, worrying that they will land in jail just for homeschooling. It may be a wacky and unrealistic fear given what’s actually going on, but if people hear it often enough they often come to believe it, along with the bogus stats and stories claiming that homeschooling is as close to perfect an educational option one can get in such a messed up society, and the myth that there is no evidence to the contrary because homeschooling is just so awesome.
Because homeschoolers test scores aren’t made public and often not even expected, registration isn’t even required in many states, and most people don’t pay much attention to homeschooling unless their kids are being homeschooled, homeschool movement leaders have been able to get away with exhibiting the cream of the homeschooling crop as representative of all homeschoolers and it has painted an inaccurate picture and hurt the vulnerable kids by leaving them ignored as they fall through the cracks.
Saying “our homeschool kids are socialized but socialization doesn’t matter and in fact it generally sucks if it isn’t coming directly from parents” is a very unhealthy attitude to go into educating with. Responsible homeschooling parents really need to do a bit of soulsearching as to why they tolerate these inaccurate depictions of what socialization is and isn’t, why there is this the across-the-board maligning of all public schools within many homeschool communities, and why so many participate in this ugly (and frankly in my opinion undeserved) elitism, and contribute to such extreme (and inaccurate) stereotyping and putting down of children who have had to attend lower quality inner-city schools, all in order to inflate the merits of homeschooling. Two big question – Does this kind of attitude help do anything beyond artificially boosting homeschool egos? Is there any need for this behavior if homeschooling is really so awesome? Also, if there is no good data on the problems of homeschooling then instead of celebrating the cobwebs we need to be collecting more data. Every single education method in this world has problems and the places where the problems are denied is where child maltreatment can and does flourish.
The Truth Between “Stereotype” and “Myth”
I get the message that not all homeschoolers are cloistered and don’t know how to talk to people their own age, but the fact is that too many are and we need to recognize that it is a real problem affecting a sizable percentage of homeschool kids. Also, homeschoolers are simply not the most brilliant people in the world or inherently “smarter” than other kids, and as such they shouldn’t need to feel pressured to achieve perfection, perform as child prodigies, or that there’s a black mark on them if they mix up “asocial” and “anti-social” in a conversation.
This “myth of the unsocialized homeschooler” is an issue in homeschooling but the prevalent idea that the socialization problem is a myth is what’s the real problem, not the legitimate questions and concerns about socialization that homeschool parents keep being asked. Those questions actually need to keep happening because social isolation and ostracism in any setting (including homeschooling) often follows a person into adulthood, and can leave people struggling with social anxiety, a small social network, low levels of social capital, mental health issues, and an unnecessary amount of sad and lonely memories. The least we can do is stop making fun of people, stop being in denial, stop pointing fingers elsewhere, and acknowledge that it is real, it happens too often and it should be assessed and addressed as the serious problem that it is.
you should check out the season 3 episodes of the abc family show, Melissa and Joey where Melissa’s nephew, Ryder is homeschooled because he is suspended from public school. It kind of gives a different picture of homeschooling but more pop culture view. http://beta.abcfamily.go.com/shows/melissa-joey/episode-guide
I can think of nowhere a child is more at risk for social ostracism than in a classroom/school setting.
Well, Laurelrogers, that may be the case but fact is ostracism can occur anywhere there is a group of people and isolation can occur anytime a child does not have access to social opportunities or a way to meaningfully connect with others. Saying ostracism is a risk in classrooms also does not mean it doesn’t happen in homeschools.
I think the whole debate is trumped up to be honest… Homeschooling—or public schooling—is poor when you have poor teachers…this extends to “socialization”. As for arguing that there is a “socialization problem” inherent in homeschooling… it assumes that there is a single method, or activity, or defining feature, or type, or… something… that makes homeschooling into homeschooling. Something that homeschooling IS. The range of people and methods (I find), involved in homeschooling is fairly broad and picking out a narrowly focused (hyper-white, judeo-christian, [homeschooling], sub-culture) as indicative of homeschooling (as an entity) is entirely misleading. I think this should be made clear (if you want to say that hyper-paranoid, borderline racist, coddling, fear-mongering parents don’t properly socialize their kids, you should say that). Of course, some kids are poorly socialized (period).
My point is that this is not a question of homeschooling versus public schooling. It is a question of a certain type of paranoid control freaks versus their imagined enemy. Both the maligning public-ers and the elitist homeschoolers can be inserted as the paranoid control freak.
Why perpetuate a silly argument? People everywhere are messed up and need help. Lets not make this about some trumped up debate.
P.S. Googled results are not a good sample of lived realities. The internet thrives on people with strong and unfounded opinions.
Well, yeah, that’s the point. The socialization myth backlash is trumped up, turned into something it isn’t, but it’s done as a way to ignore and dismiss a very real problem.
Also, if you are going for the “no true Scotsman” defense of “that isn’t real homeschooling, like this other brand of homeschooling is” or “those people are in the minority” then let me say I’ve heard that too many times before and it is annoying to have to once again say that according to the legal definition of homeschooling, religious white people who merely want to “shelter” their children definitely do count as homeschoolers, the most powerful homeschool advocacy organization is maintained by those people, and the group is quite large, so people who discount it as simply a vocal minority in the homeschooling world, and not a major player that drives how homeschooling operates and is perceived simply aren’t paying enough attention.
I am also not “perpetuating a silly argument.” I am discussing and showing examples of a serious issue in the homeschooling world. It might seem silly to you but it’s been a very painful experience for many homeschooled children who have been socially isolated.
Also, google searches often *are* good examples of culture and lived realities, although not a mirror image of reality of course (these google images sure do capture the culture of what I grew up in though) and fact is reality includes a lot of strong and unfounded opinions and those then make their way onto the Internet, your comment being a good example.
Wow. Apparently I hit a nerve… And you are twisting everything I said.
I said the debate is trumped up. I never said the “socialization myth backlash is trumped up”.
I am not using the “no True Scotsman”… I do not deny that there are these homeschoolers (and really, why would I?). I am saying that this culture of overprotective under-socialization is not due to homeschooling but to the complex of ideological and cultural forces which goes much beyond “homeschooling” (as one possible manifestation). The problem is not as much OF homeschooling as OF other things…
Yes, you are. I would also like to point out that ‘it has been a very painful experience for many public-schooled children who have been socially isolated’. (plea to emotion).
Cherry-picking from Google Images is not.
My opinion is rather un-strong and founded to be honest. You apply your experience and sweeping generalizations to the question and I apply my experience and try to break down one of these generalizations. And really. If you thought about it you would realize that my complaint was more about word choice then anything. Unnecessarily lumping people into a category you criticize—for borderline reasons—seems more like a “strong and unfounded” opinion, or a vendetta, then my argument does.
Yeah, you did hit a nerve. I find it highly irritating when people are willing to ignore and downplay and dismiss this sort of problematic stuff, which is actually endemic to homeschooling culture (because it’s being pushed by the people who lobby for laws and sell curriculum), just because they want to homeschool or have homeschooling look like the best thing since sliced bread, even when it isn’t.
Perhaps you can clarify what you meant by the debate being trumped up in case there was a misunderstanding. I don’t try to twist stuff anybody said.
I agree that this sort of stuff isn’t inherent to homeschooling but is a product of cultural and ideological forces that have latched onto homeschooling as a tool, but fact is that doesn’t change anything except to prove that homeschooling *can* exist without this mindset and right now it had a problem because it far too often isn’t. Right now toxic ideas of exceptionalism and excuses for social isolation are being given a free pass because they are endemic, just the way things are. Instead of spending your time talking about how homeschooling should be distanced from this stuff, why aren’t you talking about how this awful stuff can be reduced in homeschooling culture?
Downplaying the issues, pointing to how “plenty public school kids deal with this too” is not helpful. Nobody should deal with it. Also, I went to public high school and was pretty socially isolated for the first year and a half thanks to socialization issues resulting from my homeschool experience. Also, my parents were still Quiverfull, so you telling me it’s not “QF homeschooling” so much as “QF other stuff” that’s an issue shows me you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Really, what makes you think you could come explain something like that to me when it’s my lived experience? What makes you fancy yourself an expert that is in a position to “teach” me? It’s like rich people who think they can explain to poor people what poverty is, or men who can explain to women what being a woman is like. Unsurprisingly, I can say that you are mistaken. Fact is my life got 5x better once we weren’t cooped up in the house with my parents bullying us all day long and the extra crazy homeschool parents had more or less shunned my family as sellouts and stopped giving them nutty childrearing advice that had hurt us. Others I’ve talked to have said similar things. The more extreme things and views that often go along with QF lifestyle simply don’t mesh all that well with public school. They fit disturbingly well with deregulated homeschooling.
Also, FYI, I didn’t “cherry pick” google images. I picked things that illustrate what I know *because I grew up within it.* You may not be trying to be offensive but discounting my lived experience and my research in the way you did, showing much more concern about discounting the validity of what I had to say and defending an institution (and homeschooling is an institution), rather than expressing concern for kids caught in it, is not the kind of thing you can expect me to to have a positive response to.
I have no vendetta against people like you. I do see people like you as the bystander in the “bystander effect.”
Actually, I think we are agreeing more than you think we are. Perhaps I could have been clearer in my original post. My gripe is that this is part of a larger phenomenon and not a result of (or cause-and-effect relationship to) homeschooling. Thus, it should not be implied that homeschooling (as an abstraction including all people who homeschool) is the cause of the problem. You state that I am trying to discount your experience as a “QF” homeschooler as a self-declared expert. This is based on assumption and misses the point of my critique. First of all, I am not coming from an ‘expert’ position (unless we are citing personal experience, I have plenty of this). Secondly, I know for a “fact” (cite: personal experience) that this is not a problem inherent to homeschooling. It may certainly be endemic to a certain brand of homeschooling such as the one you grew up in. In your latest reply you seem to imply that the problem is with your “bullying parents”, “extra crazy” surrounding homeschoolers and being “cooped up” in the house. These are not necessary to homeschooling as my lived experience can attest. However, I agree that this is sad when it does happen and I don’t pretend that it does not. The difference I see is that this is not about homeschooling so much as strange and harmful ideologies that CAN be (and are, I am sure) fostered in a homeschooling environment. My desire was to see this distinction made clear. If this distinction is made clear then the argument is (in my mind) distilled to the core problems rather than the simplistic “homeschoolers are socialized/unsocialized” debate. This conclusion is supported by some anecdotal evidence (sorry this is not my area of academic expertise so I have no stats) where people have raised unsocialized and damaged kids (due to their parenting styles) in the public school system.
I stand by this distinction because I think it is more concrete and accurate and avoids essentializing homeschooling or universalizing one’s experience (good or bad). I do not think homeschooling is good for everyone and I always argue that (home/public)schooling is only as good as the teachers and support systems that can be provided. This leads me to an apology. I was not trying to downplay the issue. I was mostly being rhetorical to make the above points about what I feel is a more accurate depiction of the issue. I agree that nobody should have to deal with it. However, I think a narrower focus on the issue is needed to get to the heart of the problem. The problem needs to be accurately described for proper action to be taken. I don’t think something as broad as homeschooler vs. not-homeschooler is productive.
I will concede your point about the images. My impression on the first read was that you were using them as evidence rather than illustration but if that was not your intent then I am sorry.
I just started reading your blog and I am thankful for all your insight. I homeschool 6 kids, have been at it for 12 years, and have made many military moves in that time. Problems with socialization and isolation are very real in homeschooling (as they can be with any schooling). Sarcastic cartoons like you share above are unhelpful and inconsiderate. Where does a concerned homeschool family turn when they are told by whomever shares these things that the problems don’t exist?
I think you summed this up quite well.
i like that although there are good homeschoolers, homeschooling is forbidden here. If you want to go private go private but no homeschool.